Is climate change a real thing?
by Gattaca - Monday August 28, 2023 at 08:59 AM
#21
(Sep 20, 2023, 09:32 PM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 09:35 PM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 05:27 PM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 03:39 PM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 07:55 AM)mega-mind Wrote: Sure, but the rapid pace of change now precisely correlates with the rise of greenhouse gas emissions since the industrial revolution.

Correlation doesn't mean causation though, scientists disagree on humans being the dominant cause
Over 97% of climate scientists endorse human-caused climate change. The consensus is clear.

Consensus doesn't make it true, we need to see solid irrefutable evidence.

We have that, melting ice caps, warming oceans, species extinctions and more impacts aligning with climate models.

Much of that evidence seems speculative or overblown to me. And proposed solutions would destroy jobs and growth. The cure seems worse than the disease.
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(Sep 21, 2023, 12:20 AM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 20, 2023, 09:32 PM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 09:35 PM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 05:27 PM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 03:39 PM)Eagle Wrote: Correlation doesn't mean causation though, scientists disagree on humans being the dominant cause
Over 97% of climate scientists endorse human-caused climate change. The consensus is clear.

Consensus doesn't make it true, we need to see solid irrefutable evidence.

We have that, melting ice caps, warming oceans, species extinctions and more impacts aligning with climate models.

Much of that evidence seems speculative or overblown to me. And proposed solutions would destroy jobs and growth. The cure seems worse than the disease.

Some loss is inevitable in transition, but inaction will utterly devastate economies and environments long-term. Preventative care is wise.
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#23
(Sep 24, 2023, 01:20 PM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 21, 2023, 12:20 AM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 20, 2023, 09:32 PM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 09:35 PM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 05:27 PM)mega-mind Wrote: Over 97% of climate scientists endorse human-caused climate change. The consensus is clear.

Consensus doesn't make it true, we need to see solid irrefutable evidence.

We have that, melting ice caps, warming oceans, species extinctions and more impacts aligning with climate models.

Much of that evidence seems speculative or overblown to me. And proposed solutions would destroy jobs and growth. The cure seems worse than the disease.

Some loss is inevitable in transition, but inaction will utterly devastate economies and environments long-term. Preventative care is wise.


This I actually agreewith. it may not be purely cause by us but I do believe that we have the power to make things atleast a tiny bit better.
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#24
Correlation doesn't necessaily mean causaution, but using the fact that this is an option as an argument against human impact is just not right. Indeed, most researchers agree on that and there is just no denial in that. People who refute climate change just have own interests in doing so or just don't wanna see the truth.
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(Oct 10, 2023, 12:41 PM)maybeadoorhandle Wrote: Correlation doesn't necessaily mean causaution, but using the fact that this is an option as an argument against human impact is just not right. Indeed, most researchers agree on that and there is just no denial in that. People who refute climate change just have own interests  in doing so or just don't wanna see the truth.

People are good at not seeing the truth. Most of the content we see is a fantasy or a distortion of the truth. For example, kids grow up being told fairy tales about life.
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#26
yeah it is real, it's just not as fast as many people would expect it to be. obviously, the CO2 levels are rising faster now than ever, but we're still at a fixable point. you gotta know that not enough carbon dioxide would inevitably kill our plants, which wouldn't be too good for us, too.
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#27
Absolutely, climate change is undeniably real. While it might not always seem immediate, the evidence is clear: rising CO2 levels, extreme weather events, and shifting ecosystems all point to its existence. However, recognizing this doesn't mean it's too late. We're still at a crucial juncture where concerted efforts can mitigate its worst effects. Understanding the importance of balance in our atmosphere, including the role of CO2 in sustaining life, is fundamental to addressing this global challenge.
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#28
(Sep 10, 2023, 05:27 PM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 03:39 PM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 10, 2023, 07:55 AM)mega-mind Wrote:
(Sep 09, 2023, 10:42 PM)Eagle Wrote:
(Sep 09, 2023, 09:03 PM)mega-mind Wrote: I disagree. The evidence is overwhelming that human activity is warming the planet dangerously.

Earth's climate has fluctuated naturally long before industrialization, this is just another natural cycle.

Sure, but the rapid pace of change now precisely correlates with the rise of greenhouse gas emissions since the industrial revolution.

Correlation doesn't mean causation though, scientists disagree on humans being the dominant cause
Over 97% of climate scientists endorse human-caused climate change. The consensus is clear.

Of course scientists will endorse the consensus, they are taught it and that's how they graduate in college. If they were to say it was fake, they'd rarely if ever graduate or be allowed to partake in academic discussions.

They've claimed the world will end in 10 years since the later half of the 20th century, yet nothing has happened. Unknown if it it's manmade either. Entirely possible that a natural change in temperature is gradually occurring.
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#29
It is very much a real thing, although we can't really do much about it since we'd have to shut down a lot of important facilities that are necessary to provide us quality of life.
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#30
(Apr 08, 2024, 08:02 PM)zjj Wrote: It is very much a real thing, although we can't really do much about it since we'd have to shut down a lot of important facilities that are necessary to provide us quality of life.

we need to restrict the rich from flying in private jets
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