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(Sep 10, 2023, 11:00 PM)mega-mind Wrote: (Sep 10, 2023, 08:06 PM)Eagle Wrote: (Sep 10, 2023, 07:02 PM)mega-mind Wrote: (Sep 10, 2023, 04:33 PM)Eagle Wrote: (Sep 09, 2023, 08:01 PM)mega-mind Wrote: Perhaps for some, but psychology and social factors clearly play a huge role in shaping sexuality too.
While influences exist, the consistent biological evidence strongly points to a genetic and prenatal basis underlying orientation.
I'm skeptical of those biological studies. Sexuality is a complex behavioral trait, not just genes.
Nature is involved, things like birth order effect and heritability make a purely social explanation inadequate.
Heritability is debatable and just means genetics play some role, not that they determine orientation. Believe me @Eagle Social factors are key.
Social theories have flaws too, siblings with similar upbringing can have totally different sexualities, for instance.
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(Sep 13, 2023, 09:10 PM)Eagle Wrote: (Sep 10, 2023, 11:00 PM)mega-mind Wrote: (Sep 10, 2023, 08:06 PM)Eagle Wrote: (Sep 10, 2023, 07:02 PM)mega-mind Wrote: (Sep 10, 2023, 04:33 PM)Eagle Wrote: While influences exist, the consistent biological evidence strongly points to a genetic and prenatal basis underlying orientation.
I'm skeptical of those biological studies. Sexuality is a complex behavioral trait, not just genes.
Nature is involved, things like birth order effect and heritability make a purely social explanation inadequate.
Heritability is debatable and just means genetics play some role, not that they determine orientation. Believe me @Eagle Social factors are key.
Social theories have flaws too, siblings with similar upbringing can have totally different sexualities, for instance.
Because subtle emotional factors within families vary. Sexual modeling still has the most sway on orientation.
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(Sep 20, 2023, 10:19 PM)mega-mind Wrote: (Sep 13, 2023, 09:10 PM)Eagle Wrote: (Sep 10, 2023, 11:00 PM)mega-mind Wrote: (Sep 10, 2023, 08:06 PM)Eagle Wrote: (Sep 10, 2023, 07:02 PM)mega-mind Wrote: I'm skeptical of those biological studies. Sexuality is a complex behavioral trait, not just genes.
Nature is involved, things like birth order effect and heritability make a purely social explanation inadequate.
Heritability is debatable and just means genetics play some role, not that they determine orientation. Believe me @Eagle Social factors are key.
Social theories have flaws too, siblings with similar upbringing can have totally different sexualities, for instance.
Because subtle emotional factors within families vary. Sexual modeling still has the most sway on orientation.
I don't have strong evidence for that. The mismatch between social theories and data suggests biology is more important.
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(Sep 20, 2023, 11:02 PM)Eagle Wrote: (Sep 20, 2023, 10:19 PM)mega-mind Wrote: (Sep 13, 2023, 09:10 PM)Eagle Wrote: (Sep 10, 2023, 11:00 PM)mega-mind Wrote: (Sep 10, 2023, 08:06 PM)Eagle Wrote: Nature is involved, things like birth order effect and heritability make a purely social explanation inadequate.
Heritability is debatable and just means genetics play some role, not that they determine orientation. Believe me @Eagle Social factors are key.
Social theories have flaws too, siblings with similar upbringing can have totally different sexualities, for instance.
Because subtle emotional factors within families vary. Sexual modeling still has the most sway on orientation.
I don't have strong evidence for that. The mismatch between social theories and data suggests biology is more important.
Biology may influence orientation, but the shaping by childhood events and environment seems far more definitive.
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